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OmegaBuckeye said...
They won't be the first domino. Rumors that are flying around are saying that UVA, GT, and FSU are likely to make the move. If that goes down, I see Clemson and VT jumping to the SEC. I think UNC is taking a serious look at the B1G. May not be the move you guys want to make, but it might make the most sense if things fall apart.
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OmegaBuckeye said...
They won't be the first domino. Rumors that are flying around are saying that UVA, GT, and FSU are likely to make the move. If that goes down, I see Clemson and VT jumping to the SEC. I think UNC is taking a serious look at the B1G. May not be the move you guys want to make, but it might make the most sense if things fall apart.
This post was edited by LJ12 on 2/20/2013 at 7:56 PM
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Black Bart said...
hope carolina comes to the sec, but i promise you if you don't state and va. tech will. slive will have a team from north carolina. he wants duke also. negotiations have been going on for months. tell the yankee carpetbaggers to keep their ass out of the south and stay in dixie. by the way, the sec has 4 aau schools...missouri, texas a&m, vandy, and florida. i love north carolina and ya'll would be welcome additions if something happened to the acc.
I'm sure Duke is just salivating at the chance to hob-nob with the academic titans of the SEC.
Welcome aboard Tar Heels....and don't worry, once the conference decides to expand out to 20 we'll be sure to include your bball buds from Durham.
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OSU43081 said...
Administrators from either the Big Ten or North Carolina floating this information out there (anonymously) to gauge reaction from the alumni, donor, fanbase, in addition to the same parties from the Big Ten (fans, alumni, donors)?
Just seems like there's too many working pieces for only one person to have the information (the InsideMaryland guy) and not other parties.
Just seems like a float to gauge reaction and then, if bad reaction, deny any offer was made.
As an OSU alum, Ohio State cannot keep uniforms, logos or prices secret. Their usually Tweeted out or something.
Someone else would've had this information and not just one party. But just a thought.
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GoingHeels said...
The UNC General Alumni Association message board had a thread to discuss conference expansion and preferred affiliation a few months ago. Unfortunately, it is not a popular message board so the thread was essentially useless.
I honestly believe that the ACC is in better shape than some want to believe. The ACC has the third largest viewership. The ACC is only behind the SEC and B1G with an average enrollment per school that is much smaller than the SEC or B1G schools (i.e., larger alumni bases) and is the only college property that ESPN has exclusive rights to. It is not likely that ESPN will sit by idly and watch the B1G takes the best properties from the ACC for the BTN and Fox when the financial security is the question that needs to be answered.
However, if it does come to fruition that the ACC is no longer viable, a move to the B1G will be very divisive. The outcry against the B1G is very, very loud and the most unified the Tar Heel fan base has been since the NCAA arrived in Chapel Hill. It is easily 95% in favor of the SEC. Easily.
So I think you are right, there are conversations taking place and the temperature of the fan and alumni base is being taken.
My biggest concern is the midwest background of too many BOT members. Too similar to Maryland for comfort. If it were to happen, I would liken it to academic midwestern carpet bagging - patronizingly patting UNC alums/fans on the head as they explain how they know what is best for the flagship school of North Carolina. I don't have anything against the midwest but, if the BOT has midwestern roots, they may believe what some have posted here, which that the B1G is a better cultural fit for UNC than the SEC. Its not. Its just not. It is hard to define and put into words but we like sweet tea, grits, barbecue, southern belles in summer dresses and the free use of the word y'all.
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I'm just an outsider here lookin' in on this situation, but I wonder, would you Tar Heels fans really want to go to the frozen tundra of the B-10 if you had to leave the ACC, for whatever reason?
I just can't see how that would be at all desirable. Wouldn't the SEC be the much better choice if it came to that?
Perusing a variety of boards over the past several months I would conservatively estimate a good 90+% of Tar Heels would prefer the SEC over Big. And why not...
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UNC_Doug said...
For me personally, I like the setup of college football currently. I'm intrigued by the new playoff system and I love the conferences. The B1G, and SEC are both great in their own rights but conferences like the ACC make college football better. Sure, there may not be as many football nuts in ACC country, but the ACC is made up of big brother, little brother rivalries. It makes the landscape of college football a little more unique and I would hate to see it go. Duke, Carolina. Virginia, VT. FSU, Miami. Carolina, NCST. Clemson, FSU. These are some great rivalries I would hate to see go. The ACC serves the Underdog role against teams SEC, and it's always fun to watch those games. I know I'm rambling, but the ACC is an academically superior conference with high standards, good coaches and passionate fan bases. It would really dampen my college sports experience if UNC was to move to the B1G or SEC where we have 0 rivals. Lastly, I feel it would be a big mistake to move out of a rising conference. We have some great new additions, and it would be awful to leave.
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MrBlofeld said...
I'm just an outsider here lookin' in on this situation, but I wonder, would you Tar Heels fans really want to go to the frozen tundra of the B-10 if you had to leave the ACC, for whatever reason?
I just can't see how that would be at all desirable. Wouldn't the SEC be the much better choice if it came to that?
Perusing a variety of boards over the past several months I would conservatively estimate a good 90+% of Tar Heels would prefer the SEC over Big. And why not...
Fortunately for those fans, the President and BoT will make that decision for them.....they realize the SEC would suck them dry eventually, while not offering them nearly as much long term value compared to the B1G.
Welcome to the premier athletic, academic, research conference Tar Heels....
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Herkuleez said...
Fortunately for those fans, the President and BoT will make that decision for them.....they realize the SEC would suck them dry eventually, while not offering them nearly as much long term value compared to the B1G.
Welcome to the premier athletic, academic, research conference Tar Heels....
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33laszlo99 said...
PURE GUESSWORK:
Expect The BIG to invite: UNC, Duke, UVA and VaTech. The BIG does not wish to simply "participate" in the markets that they enter. They want to "own" them. Notice that the BIG completely dominates college sports in each state in which they reside. This is clearly true of newly added Rutgers and Maryland. By selecting only UNC in North Carolina, they leave open the door for The SEC to establish a competing presence at Duke. Now The BIG will need to compete for TV supremacy. Same would apply if they invited UVA and forfieted VaTech to the SEC. Why wouldn't they just invite both major programs in each state and close-out all competition?
This "dominance" theory also indicates that Ga Tech will not be invited. The BIG will not pay out a full revenue share to school that can deliver only a small fraction of their in-state audience. The UGA Bulldogs own Georgia football fans, and they always will.
Forget the Seminoles receiving an invitation. That state is terribly fragmented by three "power" programs and some emerging schools as well. The BIG is unlikely to invest in a market so heavily saturated by competition.
Someday, if the new BIG maxxes-out its "wholly-owned" states, only then would they possibly enter shared markets.
The full capture of NC and VA prevents The BigXII from competing there, as well. For them, further expansion in the southeast puts them in competition with Dixie's beloved SEC. Not an easy climb.
About NC State: If The SEC invites them, a few successive seasons of winless football will render them irrelavent. I don't say this in scorn. I respect their history of past athletic success, but they are in a lousy position strategically, to navigate realignment. Need we speculate on Wake Forest?This post has been edited 6 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 2/22/2013 at 9:48 AM
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MrWoodson said...
This is wrong. It's exactly backward. Of course the B10 wants to control/dominate every part of its footprint, but it's incredibly costly to add a team because the pie gets split into another piece. That is why the B10 has no interest in Cincy (Ohio), Pitt (Pennsylvania) or Iowa State (Iowa). It's much better to have only one school per state/media market. And that is one of the ACC's major problems ... you have four schools all located in one medium sized state (North Carolina).
In a perfect world, I have no doubt UNC and UVA and GT would like to remain in the ACC. But this isn't a perfect world. FSU is unhappy with the growing gap between how much it makes in the ACC compared to the other major national football powers. It does not have basketball to sustain itself the way UNC and Duke do. That's why FSU voted against tripling the exit fee. And FSU probably is not the only ACC school that feels that way.
If the ACC doesn't find a way to close the revenue gap, schools like FSU will eventually leave and the ACC will fall even further behind. This is exactly what happened to the BE until all the serious football schools were gone. If the ACC wants to be just a basketball conference, fine, but if you want to remain a major football conference, sitting around with your heads in the sand is not an option. Schools will leave if the money gap becomes large enough. You are being naive to think they won't.
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MrWoodson said...
This is wrong. It's exactly backward. Of course the B10 wants to control/dominate every part of its footprint, but it's incredibly costly to add a team because the pie gets split into another piece. That is why the B10 has no interest in Cincy (Ohio), Pitt (Pennsylvania) or Iowa State (Iowa). It's much better to have only one school per state/media market. And that is one of the ACC's major problems ... you have four schools all located in one medium sized state (North Carolina).
In a perfect world, I have no doubt UNC and UVA and GT would like to remain in the ACC. But this isn't a perfect world. FSU is unhappy with the growing gap between how much it makes in the ACC compared to the other major national football powers. It does not have basketball to sustain itself the way UNC and Duke do. That's why FSU voted against tripling the exit fee. And FSU probably is not the only ACC school that feels that way.
If the ACC doesn't find a way to close the revenue gap, schools like FSU will eventually leave and the ACC will fall even further behind. This is exactly what happened to the BE until all the serious football schools were gone. If the ACC wants to be just a basketball conference, fine, but if you want to remain a major football conference, sitting around with your heads in the sand is not an option. Schools will leave if the money gap becomes large enough. You are being naive to think they won't.
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33laszlo99 said...
I buy your argument re. Pitt. But Iowa State & Cincinnati are weak sisters representing no challenge. I had been in the same mindset as you (foot-in-the-door in many markets) until recently. I think that over the long run, the comfort of market monopoly is worth the two revenue consumers. Remember, they are also revenue generators. Time will tell how it shakes-out. Maybe sooner than expected.
This post was edited by MrWoodson on 2/21/2013 at 3:59 PM
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Word is the BIG extended offer to UNC to join conference