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Word is the BIG extended offer to UNC to join conference

  • getmyjive11 said...

    Would the feeling here be different if the Big Ten went to 20 teams you were guaranteed to play in a "pod" consisting of UNC, Duke, GT, UMD and UVA (meaning you would play them every year)?

    For me, No It would not make a difference. I hope the ACC survives. If it does not and we have to move than the SEC is where we should go. We just do not fit naturally with the northern Universities of the B1G. There are no rivalries. There is not a single team currently in the B1G I hold any animosity towards. I guess it could grow over the years.

    I wonder how some of you would feel having to give up playing your natural rivalries. Would Michigan be happy about giving up Ohio St or Michigan St? Hating the team you are playing against makes rivalries stronger.

    JP4UNC

  • JP4UNC said...

    For me, No It would not make a difference. I hope the ACC survives. If it does not and we have to move than the SEC is where we should go. We just do not fit naturally with the northern Universities of the B1G. There are no rivalries. There is not a single team currently in the B1G I hold any animosity towards. I guess it could grow over the years.

    I wonder how some of you would feel having to give up playing your natural rivalries. Would Michigan be happy about giving up Ohio St or Michigan St? Hating the team you are playing against makes rivalries stronger.

    You are asking the wrong person. PSU doesn't have any rivals in the Big Ten.

    We are excited about Maryland and Rutgers and we hope that UVA and UNC follows. It would be more east coast games for us which is fantastic.

    I can understand your concern though. The ACC is all about tabacco road... I wouldn't expect many UNC fans to want to go anywhere else.

    getmyjive11

  • The Big Rust Belt Conference is very jealous of the SEC. They hate the SEC so much on the athletic level, their balls are hurting. Lol.. They are so inferior of that southern conference, now they want to convert southern schools into northern schools, in order to compete with them. We know your region of the U.S. is on life support in term of declining population. I hope the ACC schools have balls to withstand the northern aggressors. No sell out!!!!!

    MobTownjagz

  • getmyjive11 said...

    You are asking the wrong person. PSU doesn't have any rivals in the Big Ten.

    We are excited about Maryland and Rutgers and we hope that UVA and UNC follows. It would be more east coast games for us which is fantastic.

    I can understand your concern though. The ACC is all about tabacco road... I wouldn't expect many UNC fans to want to go anywhere else.

    Finally someone who understands our dilema! Us not wanting the B1G does not mean we think the B1G is not good enough because it is. But sports is all about rivalries and in college those are mostly regional. We also love the makeup of the ACC and would prefer to add teams as opposed to losing them. What we have now works so why change it.

    Doc Flow

  • MobTownjagz said...

    The Big Rust Belt Conference is very jealous of the SEC. They hate the SEC so much on the athletic level, their balls are hurting. Lol.. They are so inferior of that southern conference, now they want to convert southern schools into northern schools, in order to compete with them. We know your region of the U.S. is on life support in term of declining population. I hope the ACC schools have balls to withstand the northern aggressors. No sell out!!!!!

    Why does that feel like something I read in a civil war history book?

    Doc Flow

  • MobTownjagz said...

    The Big Rust Belt Conference is very jealous of the SEC. They hate the SEC so much on the athletic level, their balls are hurting. Lol.. They are so inferior of that southern conference, now they want to convert southern schools into northern schools, in order to compete with them. We know your region of the U.S. is on life support in term of declining population. I hope the ACC schools have balls to withstand the northern aggressors. No sell out!!!!!

    To be fair to the Big Ten, expansion for us is more about money and academics than football. You can scoff at that all you want, but if you looks at the teams being targeted (or mentioned)... Maryland, Rutgers, UVA, UNC, Duke, GT, BC, maybe Cuse... none of them are a football power, but they are all fantastic school that offer a lot in terms of their markets.

    Delany wants a better football product, there is no doubt about it, but this expansion has nothing to do with that. It's just a different mentality than what the SEC has.

    getmyjive11

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    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by GoingHeels on 2/20/2013 at 10:16 AM

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  • My issue, being a Louisville fan, is why UNC would give up the authority they have in the ACC to be an also-ran in the B1G?

    From an athletic standpoint, UNC and Duke get a major say in the on-goings in the conference. If they move to the B1G, they will get the honeymoon voice, but will eventually be as important as Minnesota during discussions of control - not athletically.

    Sometimes it is better to control the group than be along for the ride.

    Hermits have no peer pressure.

    BIRDSEAT

  • Doc Flow said...

    Finally someone who understands our dilema! Us not wanting the B1G does not mean we think the B1G is not good enough because it is. But sports is all about rivalries and in college those are mostly regional. We also love the makeup of the ACC and would prefer to add teams as opposed to losing them. What we have now works so why change it.

    Exactly. How many fans want to travel to Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa for a basketball/football game when you have regional teams in Florida, S. Carolina, Virginia that are driving distance?

    Hermits have no peer pressure.

    BIRDSEAT

  • BIRDSEAT said...

    My issue, being a Louisville fan, is why UNC would give up the authority they have in the ACC to be an also-ran in the B1G?

    From an athletic standpoint, UNC and Duke get a major say in the on-goings in the conference. If they move to the B1G, they will get the honeymoon voice, but will eventually be as important as Minnesota during discussions of control - not athletically.

    Sometimes it is better to control the group than be along for the ride.

    I understand what you are saying in one way, but in another, would you rather be the captain of a ship that is sinking or an officer on a Nuclear Sub?

    I'm not taking shots at ACC, I personally hope UNC joins the BIG, just as the SEC hopes you join them. I think UNC fits better in the BIG for all other reasons other than geography. You will see, if you join, the BIG and it's expansion is not only to expand to growing populations, but to also group together 16-20 highly regarded academic institutions. It would be easy for the BIG to just get to 20 teams by adding Louisville, Cincinnati, West Va., etc... So it's not about just expanding, it's expanding while holding the best interest of the academic views of the conference. Yes the BIg Ten Network is a nice piece of change, but it is a drop in the bucket compared to the research grant money that also grows as the number of AAU schools in the conference grow.

    To sum it up, I'm pulling for UNC to come on board but as a fan, I understand your issues with it.

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  • getmyjive11 said...

    You are asking the wrong person. PSU doesn't have any rivals in the Big Ten.

    We are excited about Maryland and Rutgers and we hope that UVA and UNC follows. It would be more east coast games for us which is fantastic.

    I can understand your concern though. The ACC is all about tabacco road... I wouldn't expect many UNC fans to want to go anywhere else.

    I honestly think Penn St belongs in the ACC. I think you guys fit here better than we fit in the B1G.

    This post was edited by JP4UNC on 2/20/2013 at 10:57 AM

    JP4UNC

  • CharlestonHeel said...

    Can't imagine UNC would be the school to doom the ACC.

    They WILL NOT be the first domino, period. Also I've been told: formal invite or not, unless something has dramtically changed UNC has already "vetted" the potential numbers as a B1G member and from what I was told, the conclusion is that they do not work.

    That is why I am HIGHLY skeptical about this latest rumormill. Delaney has wanted UNC, as well as UVa, from the beginning.

    LJ12

    LJ12

  • JP4UNC said...

    I honestly think Penn St belongs in the ACC. I think you guys fit here better than we fit in the B1G.

    That depends on how you look at it. I think 15 years ago, the ACC would have been the clear choice. Now, especially if we do add some more eastern schools, the Big Ten is a great fit. Things like the BTN, CIC and Hockey are a few items that the ACC would never provide.

    We are kind of an odd ball to be honest with you... an east coast school with a midwest "feel". That is why this Big Ten expansion may work out better for PSU than any other university in the conference.

    getmyjive11

  • BestoftheBig said...

    I understand what you are saying in one way, but in another, would you rather be the captain of a ship that is sinking or an officer on a Nuclear Sub?

    I'm not taking shots at ACC, I personally hope UNC joins the BIG, just as the SEC hopes you join them. I think UNC fits better in the BIG for all other reasons other than geography. You will see, if you join, the BIG and it's expansion is not only to expand to growing populations, but to also group together 16-20 highly regarded academic institutions. It would be easy for the BIG to just get to 20 teams by adding Louisville, Cincinnati, West Va., etc... So it's not about just expanding, it's expanding while holding the best interest of the academic views of the conference. Yes the BIg Ten Network is a nice piece of change, but it is a drop in the bucket compared to the research grant money that also grows as the number of AAU schools in the conference grow.

    To sum it up, I'm pulling for UNC to come on board but as a fan, I understand your issues with it.

    I just see things differently. I am a huge proponent of the ACC making a strategic mocve to WVU. Whether they are good/bad in athletics on given years or have the academic "credentials" needed to join the ACC (Louisville does not so I am not being hypocritical), bringing in WVU shores up the football side of the equation and it puts a coffin nail in the Big 12.

    It also strengthens the conference to a point that it will not fail without mass transfer of the football powers - FSU, Clemson, VT.

    The SEZ will not take Louisville for 1 reason only - UK. I just hate to see the rivalries go away. Dukie Vitale will do nothing during the "now" only annual Duke/UNC game but talk about how sad it is they do not play 2x a year.

    Hermits have no peer pressure.

    BIRDSEAT

  • Honestly, everyone here sound like a bunch of CHUMPS wanting to go to either the SEC or B1G!

    Understand this, UVA-UNC-Duke are tied at the hip. Those three schools aren't going anywhere without each other and right now they are fully invested in the ACC.

    It would be highly hypocritical for the schools that added Boston College and wanted recently to add UConn, to leave for a conference that wouldn't have invited neither of them. Quite frankly, the ACC is the bed they made. Seriously, WERE THEY NOT THINKING ABOUT $$$$ WHEN THEY PICKED BC AND ALMOST PICKED UCONN?!?!?!?!

    IF ANYTHING, the schools more interested in saving the conference from the embarrasement of dumb decisions have been the Football Schools (FSU, MIAMI, VT, CLEMSON, GT, NCSU).

    If they UVA-UNC-Duke want to explore other conferences because other conferences seem to have their house in order, then why haven't they fired JOHN SWOFFORD? Why have they handicapped his ability to pick better schools that fit our profile? Why did they decide on Syracuse, Boston College instead of West Virginia and Rutgers? Why haven't this conference sent out an invite to Penn State for the past 30 years!?!?!? The opportunities to have been greater were they and UNC-UVA-Duke passive-aggressive have been the biggest ROADBLOCK!

    I find it maddening that other conferences would find greater value in our teams and programs than we've be able to negotiate on our own.

    I wish you all would do yourselves the favor and not entertain this nonsense and wish to be somewhere else and instead of putting the pressure on admin to be better in the conference that's been home since it's inception! You guys sound like CHUMPS!

    This post was edited by DeepEyez on 2/20/2013 at 2:27 PM

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  • JP4UNC said...

    I honestly think Penn St belongs in the ACC. I think you guys fit here better than we fit in the B1G.

    Exactly!!!!

    With Notre Dame coming into the conference, why the hell hasn't Swofford talked to Penn State? If he hasn't, he should be fired and beaten for his stupidity. I have people on the inside at the ACCDN who've told me that the numbers when you add a PSU + ND quickly makes up for any lost revenue those two might lose in a transition.

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  • BIRDSEAT said...

    My issue, being a Louisville fan, is why UNC would give up the authority they have in the ACC to be an also-ran in the B1G?

    From an athletic standpoint, UNC and Duke get a major say in the on-goings in the conference. If they move to the B1G, they will get the honeymoon voice, but will eventually be as important as Minnesota during discussions of control - not athletically.

    Sometimes it is better to control the group than be along for the ride.

    If you look at the stable conferences right now, they are the ones where each member has an equal say in what happens in the conference. The PAC12, B1G, and SEC teams all share everything equally and have an equal say. Minnesota has just as much control over conference direction as Ohio State. I think it is a good thing for UNC, if they came, that they have just as much say as Minnesota.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • DeepEyez said...

    Exactly!!!!

    With Notre Dame coming into the conference, why the hell hasn't Swofford talked to Penn State? If he hasn't, he should be fired and beaten for his stupidity. I have people on the inside at the ACCDN who've told me that the numbers when you add a PSU + ND quickly makes up for any lost revenue those two might lose in a transition.

    ND didn't join your conference, at least not with their most important sport.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • LJ12 said...

    They WILL NOT be the first domino, period. Also I've been told: formal invite or not, unless something has dramtically changed UNC has already "vetted" the potential numbers as a B1G member and from what I was told, the conclusion is that they do not work.

    That is why I am HIGHLY skeptical about this latest rumormill. Delaney has wanted UNC, as well as UVa, from the beginning.

    LJ12

    They won't be the first domino. Rumors that are flying around are saying that UVA, GT, and FSU are likely to make the move. If that goes down, I see Clemson and VT jumping to the SEC. I think UNC is taking a serious look at the B1G. May not be the move you guys want to make, but it might make the most sense if things fall apart.

    This post was edited by OmegaBuckeye on 2/20/2013 at 3:25 PM

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • I think you could really have some good match ups. Split the 20 teams up into 4 pods of 5 based on regional considerations. The 4 pods split into two 2 temporary divisions every year where you play everyone in the temporary division. At the end the two division champions do a conference championship game with no rematches possible. The next year you rotate the pods so that you get a new temporary divsions. You play everyone in your pod each year and each team in the other 3 pods once every 3 years. This could make for some cross pod rivalries and some great in pod yearly rivalries. Teams noted below are just speculation.

    Corn fed pod
    Nebraska
    Wisconsin
    Iowa
    Illinois
    Minnesota

    Rust belt pod
    Ohio State
    Meatchicken
    Purdue
    Northwestern
    Indiana

    Nor' Easter pod
    Penn State
    ND
    MSU (not really north east but wanted to balance)
    BC
    Rutgers

    Sweet Tea pod
    FSU
    UNC
    UVA
    GT
    Maryland

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • OmegaBuckeye said...

    They won't be the first domino. Rumors that are flying around are saying that UVA, GT, and FSU are likely to make the move. If that goes down, I see Clemson and VT jumping to the SEC. I think UNC is taking a serious look at the B1G. May not be the move you guys want to make, but it might make the most sense if things fall apart.

    Clemson isn't going to the SEC, not an option. Also, the SEC makes the most sense in making a move for all of our sports and culture.

    Bengoochi

  • DeepEyez said...

    Honestly, everyone here sound like a bunch of CHUMPS wanting to go to either the SEC or B1G!

    Understand this, UVA-UNC-Duke are tied at the hip. Those three schools aren't going anywhere without each other and right now they are fully invested in the ACC.

    It would be highly hypocritical for the schools that added Boston College and wanted recently to add UConn, to leave for a conference that wouldn't have invited neither of them. Quite frankly, the ACC is the bed they made. Seriously, WERE THEY NOT THINKING ABOUT $$$$ WHEN THEY PICKED BC AND ALMOST PICKED UCONN?!?!?!?!

    IF ANYTHING, the schools more interested in saving the conference from the embarrasement of dumb decisions have been the Football Schools (FSU, MIAMI, VT, CLEMSON, GT, NCSU).

    If they UVA-UNC-Duke want to explore other conferences because other conferences seem to have their house in order, then why haven't they fired JOHN SWOFFORD? Why have they handicapped his ability to pick better schools that fit our profile? Why did they decide on Syracuse, Boston College instead of West Virginia and Rutgers? Why haven't this conference sent out an invite to Penn State for the past 30 years!?!?!? The opportunities to have been greater were they and UNC-UVA-Duke passive-aggressive have been the biggest ROADBLOCK!

    I find it maddening that other conferences would find greater value in our teams and programs than we've be able to negotiate on our own.

    I wish you all would do yourselves the favor and not entertain this nonsense and wish to be somewhere else and instead of putting the pressure on admin to be better in the conference that's been home since it's inception! You guys sound like CHUMPS!

    Good stuff

    ErnieMcCracken

  • Bengoochi said...

    Clemson isn't going to the SEC, not an option. Also, the SEC makes the most sense in making a move for all of our sports and culture.

    I'm sure they would love to get you guys. Well anyways, it will be interesting to see how everything goes down over the next few years. Good luck.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • MobTownjagz said...

    The Big Rust Belt Conference is very jealous of the SEC. They hate the SEC so much on the athletic level, their balls are hurting. Lol.. They are so inferior of that southern conference, now they want to convert southern schools into northern schools, in order to compete with them. We know your region of the U.S. is on life support in term of declining population. I hope the ACC schools have balls to withstand the northern aggressors. No sell out!!!!!

    Lol

    ErnieMcCracken

  • BIRDSEAT said...

    My issue, being a Louisville fan, is why UNC would give up the authority they have in the ACC to be an also-ran in the B1G?

    From an athletic standpoint, UNC and Duke get a major say in the on-goings in the conference. If they move to the B1G, they will get the honeymoon voice, but will eventually be as important as Minnesota during discussions of control - not athletically.

    Sometimes it is better to control the group than be along for the ride.

    The conference is falling apart. Leadership is part of the problem.

    ErnieMcCracken

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