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Maryland, Rutgers to Big Ten?

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  • DeepEyez said...

    Why would you rather be in other conference other than your own? You do realize this mess is all Swofford's fault, right?

    We are a cable network and a brand spanking new TV deal away from making $25-$30 million dollars. Sounds like a lot a money for little, old ACC? Well if it does, that's because you've been conditioned to think that you can't do better than you already have.

    $25-$30 million is what the SEC & B1G are about to see in just a few short months.

    I actually think it will be more in the BIG because of the way the contracts are negotiated for the BIG network. Maryland's president alluded uesterday to expecting payouts to be near $50MM annually in the BIG within the next few years. It makes the buyout number relatively weak.

    I'm looking forward to adding you guys to the conference. If nothing else I have always had one thing in common with all Tarheel fans... I hate Dook.

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  • http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2012/11/espn-reaches-12-year-agreement-for-new-college-football-playoff/ Not sure how this affects the ACC!

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  • Bengoochi said...

    I would be so disappointed if the wolpfackers are chosen by the SEC over us

    It's the SEC! They don't want your academics to bring down their systems in place....haha

    RoboBuckeye

  • The days of the ACCs academic superiority are long since gone no matter what the PTB and blue hairs tell you

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  • GoingHeels said...

    If we end up in the B1G, we will suffer on the recruiting front. Kids are not going to want to play on the road in the Midwest in late fall, early winter when they can play in the southeast at places that are more familiar to them and carry more cache. Kids in our recruiting footprint (NC, SC, GA, VA, FL) aren't going to be excited about a game in the Shoe or the Big House once every 4-6 years.

    Maryland is on the hook for the $50M. ACC is not cash poor. Maryland was the only athletic department that was in dire straits financially. The remaining ACC athletic departments are healthy (to my knowledge). No reason for the ACC to rush to settle this when Maryland refuses to pay. Withhold this years and next years payout (approximately $34M) and tell them we will see you in court. The wheels of justice turn slow in the court system.

    Other teams and conferences are waiting to see what happens. Make it waiting game and make them wait for prolonged litigation with a massive number pre-trial hearings and expert witness dispositions. Distribute Maryland's ACC share, if you can avoid putting it in trust by having the parties stipulate that at a minimum the exit fee is $20-25M, to keep the remaining ACC schools happy while they wait. That will slow down some teams considering other conferences, especially the Big 12 where you sacrifice 12 years of media rights upon departure.

    At least, that is the way I would play it.

    This is a giant game of Risk, but using conferences on the gameboard instead of countries. Not sure that waiting around is going to pay off for the ACC. There are five conferences at the table right now, and it looks like the Big 12 and the ACC are the two fighting to not be the first one out of the game.

    As a Buckeye fan who lives in Maryland and is married to a Tarheel fan, this whole game is very interesting to me. I just hope that it works out so that the great rivalries (OSU/MICH and UNC/DUKE) are never lost.

    Foxxen

  • Foxxen said...

    This is a giant game of Risk, but using conferences on the gameboard instead of countries. Not sure that waiting around is going to pay off for the ACC. There are five conferences at the table right now, and it looks like the Big 12 and the ACC are the two fighting to not be the first one out of the game.

    As a Buckeye fan who lives in Maryland and is married to a Tarheel fan, this whole game is very interesting to me. I just hope that it works out so that the great rivalries (OSU/MICH and UNC/DUKE) are never lost.

    Pete Thamel ‏@SIPeteThamel

    Just talked to an ACC source about $50 million exit fee: "We have no intention to negotiate with MD. We're satisfied it's legally binding."

    Biggest risk is not going to the mattresses for it. If the ACC doesn't enforce, the ACC will not survive.

    As for the rivalry, UVA is our dance partner in this conference alignment dance. Not dook.

    UVA will have the greatest influence on what UNC does and the dook rivalry will only survive if the ACC survives.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by GoingHeels on 11/21/2012 at 7:29 PM

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  • I think this is pretty telling about Delany. It is written by Tom McMillen, "a former member of the House of Representatives (D-Md.), serves on the University of Maryland Board of Regents. He played on the school’s men’s basketball team from 1970 to 1974."

    This is a small portion.

    "I am on the board, and I opposed this decision primarily because of the way it was made. Most important, a change of this magnitude should not be made over a weekend, with minimal documentation, little transparency and no input from anyone who might be opposed to it. The board did not hear from any of the constituencies that will be affected by this change — not the students, faculty, student-athletes or alumni.

    Reasonable people certainly can discuss the benefits and risks of this move. But confidentiality agreements imposed by the commissioner of the Big Ten squelched any real debate. Public universities receiving taxpayer money are supposed to operate under shared governance, but what happened at Maryland was governance by secrecy and exclusion."

    Not too long and definitely worth the time if you are interested enough to be reading this thread.

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  • I hope Maryland gets the punitive exit fee reduced. Don't cry when schools want to leave when decisions to bring in Pitt and Syracuse into the conference were done for basketball reasons, just like the UConn talk. Show a little football mindset, since football money is what is driving conference change. You can't hold a team hostage when the conference no longer shows regard to what is important to that School. I wish more had voted against the raise of the exit fee. I hope the ACC finds a good football replacement for Maryland. Some new refs would be nice too, but that is another subject.

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  • UConn or Louisville will get a call in the next week to 10 days.

    Our phones in Chapel Hill are ringing however...

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  • Bengoochi said...

    UConn or Louisville will get a call in the next week to 10 days.

    Our phones in Chapel Hill are ringing however...

    If UConn gets added say goodbye to some schools because that is a complete basketball move and does nothing for football.
    I hope everyone on the board here has a good Thanksgiving.

    GO NOLES !!!

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  • I heard that Louisville is trending. Part of the 10 day timing on a possible invite extension is mostly a combination of the holiday and selling the importance of making a good athletics choice.

    Also, said something similar to what deepeyes posted. ACC is pushing hard to open up additional media revenue to solidify the ACC's viability.

    Who knows. This is a friend of a friend of the family type info. So really, really second hand hearsay. Hope he is right. Really want the ACC to survive.

    One more defection and it is curtains for the ACC.

    This post was edited by GoingHeels on 11/22/2012 at 4:07 PM

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  • Thanks for the info, I think we all want this conference to survive. Yet something has to be said of the collective commitment to the sport of football. We have to be able to compete for the best coaches in this country too as a conference. No longer can an ACC job, be it NC State, Virginia, Georgia Tech, or Miami be seen as a stepping stone job.

    We can't allow ourselves to NOT take the game seriously any more and put a superior product out on the field, on par with our excellence on the basketball court. What's going to help accomplish that is the revenue and the investment.

    We can be the in the Top 2 football conferences in the country, we are already #2 in terms of NFL talent (believe it or not, that is a FACT).

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  • DeepEyez said...

    We can be the in the Top 2 football conferences in the country, we are already #2 in terms of NFL talent (believe it or not, that is a FACT).

    And the school that has the second most NFL players in the conference just packed their bags and left. I loved the ACC, and if Notre Dame came in as a full member I highly doubt we would have left. But partial membership (think ND, Texas) destabilizes a conference, and its impossible to argue that UMD's athletic future isn't better in the B10.

    Florida State and Clemson are likely next, and then it's Tar Heels and Cavaliers to the B10. I would love to be in a pod with UVA, UNC, and Penn State.

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  • My thoughts when all this realignment stuff started back a year ago was that if we left we would take dook, but with the driving force behind all this being tv money/footprints, yes I think we'd leave them. Our partner in all this is UVA. We could set up a series like UGA/GT and Clemson/USC have but I doubt we could do one with both dook and state so we could alternate if needed.

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  • srterp said...

    1) And the school that has the second most NFL players in the conference just packed their bags and left.
    2) if Notre Dame came in as a full member I highly doubt we would have left. But partial membership (think ND, Texas) destabilizes a conference, and its impossible to argue that UMD's athletic future isn't better in the B10.

    3) Florida State and Clemson are likely next, and then it's Tar Heels and Cavaliers to the B10. I would love to be in a pod with UVA, UNC, and Penn State.

    1) Wrong.

    1 - Miami (I don't feel like counting but it is a ton)
    2 - FSU (26)
    3 - UNC (23)
    3 - Maryland (23)
    5 - Virginia Tech (22)
    6 - Clemson (21)
    7 - Georgia Tech (20)
    8 - Boston College (19)
    9 - Virginia (19)
    10 - NC State (18)
    11 - Wake Forest (8)
    12 - Duke (4)

    2) Wrong. Maryland was unable to fund its athletics department. The move to the B1G was 100% a money grab. It has nothing to do with ND partial membership and everything to do with the red in your ledger. Face it. You whored yourself out because you need the money. Don't try to rationalize the move because you can't manage your own budget.

    3) Time will tell. Heard that Delany's power play may end up greasing the move to the SEC if the ACC can't survive. Can't destabilize the ACC and stand there with open arms. I know that some big hitters are pissed!

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  • GoingHeels said...

    1) Wrong.

    1 - Miami (I don't feel like counting but it is a ton) 2 - FSU (26) 3 - UNC (23) 3 - Maryland (23) 5 - Virginia Tech (22) 6 - Clemson (21) 7 - Georgia Tech (20) 8 - Boston College (19) 9 - Virginia (19) 10 - NC State (18) 11 - Wake Forest (8) 12 - Duke (4)

    2) Wrong. Maryland was unable to fund its athletics department. The move to the B1G was 100% a money grab. It has nothing to do with ND partial membership and everything to do with the red in your ledger. Face it. You whored yourself out because you need the money. Don't try to rationalize the move because you can't manage your own budget.

    3) Time will tell. Heard that Delany's power play may end up greasing the move to the SEC if the ACC can't survive. Can't destabilize the ACC and stand there with open arms. I know that some big hitters are pissed!

    1. When I last checked two years ago UMD was #2 in nfl players, but I can believe that we've been jumped after last year's debacle of a season.

    2. Of course the move was money motivated, as is all conference re-alignment. It would be foolish not to jump when the B10 is paying twice as much as the ACC. Debbie Yow cooked our books to an extent that it bordered on illegal. We need money, and now being in the B10, we'll have plenty of it. What I meant by referencing Notre Dame is that if they joined as a full member, the ACC might have been able to get a better tv deal that wasn't dwarfed by the B10's.

    3. UNC to the SEC makes more sense geographiclly (although if UVA comes along its not really problem), but as a public ivy it is a terrible academic fit. Certainly UNC has more in common with Maryland and Michigan than Arkansas and Ole Miss.

    srterp

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