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You are asking the wrong person. PSU doesn't have any rivals in the Big Ten.
We are excited about Maryland and Rutgers and we hope that UVA and UNC follows. It would be more east coast games for us which is fantastic.
I can understand your concern though. The ACC is all about tabacco road... I wouldn't expect many UNC fans to want to go anywhere else.
The Big Rust Belt Conference is very jealous of the SEC. They hate the SEC so much on the athletic level, their balls are hurting. Lol.. They are so inferior of that southern conference, now they want to convert southern schools into northern schools, in order to compete with them. We know your region of the U.S. is on life support in term of declining population. I hope the ACC schools have balls to withstand the northern aggressors. No sell out!!!!!
Finally someone who understands our dilema! Us not wanting the B1G does not mean we think the B1G is not good enough because it is. But sports is all about rivalries and in college those are mostly regional. We also love the makeup of the ACC and would prefer to add teams as opposed to losing them. What we have now works so why change it.
Why does that feel like something I read in a civil war history book?
To be fair to the Big Ten, expansion for us is more about money and academics than football. You can scoff at that all you want, but if you looks at the teams being targeted (or mentioned)... Maryland, Rutgers, UVA, UNC, Duke, GT, BC, maybe Cuse... none of them are a football power, but they are all fantastic school that offer a lot in terms of their markets.
Delany wants a better football product, there is no doubt about it, but this expansion has nothing to do with that. It's just a different mentality than what the SEC has.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by GoingHeels 14 months ago
My issue, being a Louisville fan, is why UNC would give up the authority they have in the ACC to be an also-ran in the B1G?
From an athletic standpoint, UNC and Duke get a major say in the on-goings in the conference. If they move to the B1G, they will get the honeymoon voice, but will eventually be as important as Minnesota during discussions of control - not athletically.
Sometimes it is better to control the group than be along for the ride.
A simple question: is your butt jealous of the amount crap coming from your mouth?
Exactly. How many fans want to travel to Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa for a basketball/football game when you have regional teams in Florida, S. Carolina, Virginia that are driving distance?
I understand what you are saying in one way, but in another, would you rather be the captain of a ship that is sinking or an officer on a Nuclear Sub?
I'm not taking shots at ACC, I personally hope UNC joins the BIG, just as the SEC hopes you join them. I think UNC fits better in the BIG for all other reasons other than geography. You will see, if you join, the BIG and it's expansion is not only to expand to growing populations, but to also group together 16-20 highly regarded academic institutions. It would be easy for the BIG to just get to 20 teams by adding Louisville, Cincinnati, West Va., etc... So it's not about just expanding, it's expanding while holding the best interest of the academic views of the conference. Yes the BIg Ten Network is a nice piece of change, but it is a drop in the bucket compared to the research grant money that also grows as the number of AAU schools in the conference grow.
To sum it up, I'm pulling for UNC to come on board but as a fan, I understand your issues with it.
I honestly think Penn St belongs in the ACC. I think you guys fit here better than we fit in the B1G.
This post was edited by JP4UNC 14 months ago
They WILL NOT be the first domino, period. Also I've been told: formal invite or not, unless something has dramtically changed UNC has already "vetted" the potential numbers as a B1G member and from what I was told, the conclusion is that they do not work.
That is why I am HIGHLY skeptical about this latest rumormill. Delaney has wanted UNC, as well as UVa, from the beginning.
That depends on how you look at it. I think 15 years ago, the ACC would have been the clear choice. Now, especially if we do add some more eastern schools, the Big Ten is a great fit. Things like the BTN, CIC and Hockey are a few items that the ACC would never provide.
We are kind of an odd ball to be honest with you... an east coast school with a midwest "feel". That is why this Big Ten expansion may work out better for PSU than any other university in the conference.
I just see things differently. I am a huge proponent of the ACC making a strategic mocve to WVU. Whether they are good/bad in athletics on given years or have the academic "credentials" needed to join the ACC (Louisville does not so I am not being hypocritical), bringing in WVU shores up the football side of the equation and it puts a coffin nail in the Big 12.
It also strengthens the conference to a point that it will not fail without mass transfer of the football powers - FSU, Clemson, VT.
The SEZ will not take Louisville for 1 reason only - UK. I just hate to see the rivalries go away. Dukie Vitale will do nothing during the "now" only annual Duke/UNC game but talk about how sad it is they do not play 2x a year.
Honestly, everyone here sound like a bunch of CHUMPS wanting to go to either the SEC or B1G!
Understand this, UVA-UNC-Duke are tied at the hip. Those three schools aren't going anywhere without each other and right now they are fully invested in the ACC.
It would be highly hypocritical for the schools that added Boston College and wanted recently to add UConn, to leave for a conference that wouldn't have invited neither of them. Quite frankly, the ACC is the bed they made. Seriously, WERE THEY NOT THINKING ABOUT $$$$ WHEN THEY PICKED BC AND ALMOST PICKED UCONN?!?!?!?!
IF ANYTHING, the schools more interested in saving the conference from the embarrasement of dumb decisions have been the Football Schools (FSU, MIAMI, VT, CLEMSON, GT, NCSU).
If they UVA-UNC-Duke want to explore other conferences because other conferences seem to have their house in order, then why haven't they fired JOHN SWOFFORD? Why have they handicapped his ability to pick better schools that fit our profile? Why did they decide on Syracuse, Boston College instead of West Virginia and Rutgers? Why haven't this conference sent out an invite to Penn State for the past 30 years!?!?!? The opportunities to have been greater were they and UNC-UVA-Duke passive-aggressive have been the biggest ROADBLOCK!
I find it maddening that other conferences would find greater value in our teams and programs than we've be able to negotiate on our own.
I wish you all would do yourselves the favor and not entertain this nonsense and wish to be somewhere else and instead of putting the pressure on admin to be better in the conference that's been home since it's inception! You guys sound like CHUMPS!
This post was edited by DeepEyez 14 months ago
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With Notre Dame coming into the conference, why the hell hasn't Swofford talked to Penn State? If he hasn't, he should be fired and beaten for his stupidity. I have people on the inside at the ACCDN who've told me that the numbers when you add a PSU + ND quickly makes up for any lost revenue those two might lose in a transition.
If you look at the stable conferences right now, they are the ones where each member has an equal say in what happens in the conference. The PAC12, B1G, and SEC teams all share everything equally and have an equal say. Minnesota has just as much control over conference direction as Ohio State. I think it is a good thing for UNC, if they came, that they have just as much say as Minnesota.
ND didn't join your conference, at least not with their most important sport.
They won't be the first domino. Rumors that are flying around are saying that UVA, GT, and FSU are likely to make the move. If that goes down, I see Clemson and VT jumping to the SEC. I think UNC is taking a serious look at the B1G. May not be the move you guys want to make, but it might make the most sense if things fall apart.
This post was edited by OmegaBuckeye 14 months ago
I think you could really have some good match ups. Split the 20 teams up into 4 pods of 5 based on regional considerations. The 4 pods split into two 2 temporary divisions every year where you play everyone in the temporary division. At the end the two division champions do a conference championship game with no rematches possible. The next year you rotate the pods so that you get a new temporary divsions. You play everyone in your pod each year and each team in the other 3 pods once every 3 years. This could make for some cross pod rivalries and some great in pod yearly rivalries. Teams noted below are just speculation.
Corn fed pod
Rust belt pod
Nor' Easter pod
MSU (not really north east but wanted to balance)
Sweet Tea pod
Clemson isn't going to the SEC, not an option. Also, the SEC makes the most sense in making a move for all of our sports and culture.
I'm sure they would love to get you guys. Well anyways, it will be interesting to see how everything goes down over the next few years. Good luck.
The conference is falling apart. Leadership is part of the problem.
i read recently that the sec would take up to 4 schools from the acc to get unc. i'm sure it would be 3 of the following...virginia, va. tech, duke, and ncs along with unc. i don't think slive would make the first move. we have heard down here all along that ga. tech and virginia were already in the big 10 fold. i would really like to see the acc stay but if the big ten commissioner is intent on killing it i hope you guys stay with the south. i have always liked north carolina and it would be a big honor to welcome you to the sec.
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